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What does it take for students to be (semiconductor) industry-ready


Panel discussion @ CDN Live, Bangalore: What does it really take for students to be industry-ready?

Panel discussion @ CDN Live, Bangalore: What does it really take for students to be industry-ready?

Today, I was part of a wonderful panel discussion at Cadence Design Systems CDNLive, Bangalore, India edition, titled:What does it really take for students to be industry-ready?

Moderated by Dr. CP Ravikumar, technical director, University Relations HR, Texas Instruments, the panelists included Joe Lazar, director HR, Analog Devices India, SN Padmanabhan, senior VP, Semiconductor, Mindtree, Anand Bariya, MD, Netlogic Microsystems and Prof. Venugopal. Electronics and Communication Dept., SJCE, Mysore.

India boasts of some of the finest technical institutes of the world. This discussion centered around whether our graduating students are industry ready? What are the necessary qualities or aspects they would need to keep in mind when entering the semiconductor industry?

Avoid a bad attitude!
There is this quote from  Scott Hamilton — “The only disability in life is a bad attitude.” According to Joe Lazar of Analog Devices India, attitude is an observable behavior over a period of time.

When students come into the semiconductor industry, they need to collaborate and not compete with each other. There is a need to bring about some change in this aspect. Similarly, commitment to the job and to the company are equally important aspects.”Next, be prepared to understand what is good for you. Also, money is not everything. During campus hires, money may become an important driving force. However, it goes away after some point of time,” he added.

Lazar concluded with a quote from William James: “The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind.”

Are you ready for an inch wide and mile deep job?
Prof. Venugopal from SJCE, Mysore, focused on students to develop the right technical skills. Are they ready to join an industry that offers an ‘inch wide and miles deep job? Also, can students really communicate clearly?

It is equally important for the faculty in any institute to motivate students. When students are doing projects, they should also come to know how good they are with their technical skills. He advised: “Students should know the tools very well, and be very strong in their basics. They should be very good in circuit (analog/digital) design as well.”

The faculty of any institute has be really good enough to prepare its students for the challenges ahead as the technical skills required for the semiconductor industry are constantly changing.

Be prepared for the grind, and have strong foundations!
Anand Bariya of Netlogic Microsystems remarked: “What do we expect from fresh engineers? Their ability to learn with respect to the semiconductor industry!” He cited some examples, such as, today, it is impossible to design a chip without knowing low power techniques, or chips that incorporate very high speed serial interfaces. “There is a continuous demand for engineers who can learn and deliver quickly. Engineers who come in, should be prepared for the grind,” he added.

Next, manufacturing technologies and techniques are also changing, and present fresh challenges. “Designers need to keep up with the changes in manufacturing technologies,” said Bariya. He advised students, “Your foundations need to be very strong.” Fundamentals are very important for students to learn quickly. “In the semiconductor industry, we need people with a programming mindset. Your ability to learn is all in your attitude.”

He further advised students to develop a habit of taking notes
(this applies to journalists too, who use voice recorders, rather than take notes during a meeting), as it helps to cement learnings. Also, a lot of learning is possible if students are willing to search on the Internet.

Strong ethics, integrity, respect for IP, others
MindTree’s SN Padmanabhan said the industry spends three to six months on an average on orientation programs for newcomers. Once, they get into projects and project teams, they can work seamlessly. Having strong fundamentals and basics are very important and paramount. He also touched upon the need for strong ethics as the semiconductor industry is global in nature where there’s a constant need to interact with teams made up of multicultural people.

Similarly, there is a need to communicate in a proper manner with peers and colleagues within the industry. Besides, email etiquette needs to be maintained. Especially, for communication, there are audio and video conferences. “We have to be in an audio conference at least 80 percent of the times. Hence. the need to understand and respect multicultures, and communicate properly and effectively.”

Another important aspect for students to understand is to respect the dress codes — which is meant to present a better image of ourselves.

Padmanabhan touched upon integrity and the need to be honest with yourselves. “Don’t fudge your resumes!” Gender sensitive issues and language come up as well, especially in a multicultural environment. “Try to make an attempt to learn about others cultures, and see that you don’t end up hurting them.”

He also stressed upon the need to respect IPs and IP protection. “How are you going to protect the customers’ rights? How will you ensure that you do not violate anyone’s right?” Most IP violations happen due to a lack of information. Also, he advised students who would be joining the semiconductor industry soon to be careful of the information shared with other people, especially over a cup of coffee.

Do look for apprenticeships!
Following a lively Q&A session, Jaswinder Ahuja, corporate VP and MD, Cadence Design Systems (I) Pvt Ltd, suggested that students could actually get into a ‘real job’ in the semiconductor industry, unlike any other industry. They could get involved immediately in projects to design and develop products that would be later on used by other industries such as medical, telecom, etc. Further, they should look at an apprenticeship as a system of training for a new generation of practitioners of a skill, in return, for perhaps, a stipend.

I quite agree with Ahuja’s suggestion for apprenticeships  — I myself started this way, in the mid 1980s, making newspaper cuttings in a small room (or office) of a local magazine at Allahabad! Here’s where I learnt what it takes to be a journalist. I only got an LP record of The Police
(to play on my gramophone) as stipend! However, I can never forget that period, as it became the launch pad for me to go forward and develop myself later in life as a tech journalist!

Ahuja also touched upon multicultures and how there’s a need for students to understand and respect the various cultures. Definitely, once you work for a global company, you interact with nationals from other countries, with different backgrounds and cultures.

Right folks, you’ve heard it all! Do you have it in you to carry the torch of the Indian semicon industry forward?

  1. Srinivasan Venkataramanan
    November 19, 2009 at 1:04 am

    Interesting blog entry. Specifically I liked the “apprenticeship” part. Precisely why we have launched a no-cost Internship this year named BUDS @ cvcblr.com.

    Also I wrote little more detailed “derivative” blog entry on this topic.

  2. Shivraj G dharne
    November 19, 2009 at 7:02 am

    Most important thing for us to think about is the quality of education infrastructure( library, laboratory facilities), qualified and devoted teachers and the passion of the students in the field(semiconductor industry). There is no doubt that there is huge opportunity in the semiconductor field, but focused efforts to train technically and behaviourly the new generation is what can be improved a lot. There is no much difference in semiconductor industry or any other technical field( Basics remains same but area of technical extertise differs.

    There needs to be genuine efforts from Institutes to develop new talent on soft skills like listening skill, communication skills, presentation skills , impotance of team work, building strong focus on ethics and integrity in everything they do.

    I fail to understand why some students do not know how capacitor work, can not define what is impedance means? This tells me that first we need to educate teachers to teach basics. Ask students to think beyond remembering complex equations( they can get all of them from google search). The ability to question everything which is working or followed by all is what need to be cultivated in the minds of the students.

    They can be best in the world but lot of responsibility lies on teachers and many private/govt institutes that there goal is not to produce degree holders but the real thinking engineers. It is good to know few things but perfectly than knowing many things with vague idea.

  3. shivraj G dharne
    November 19, 2009 at 7:10 am

    Most important thing for us to think about is the quality of education infrastructure( library, laboratory facilities), qualified and devoted teachers and the passion of the students in the field(semiconductor industry). There is no doubt that there is huge opportunity in the semiconductor field, but focused efforts to train technically and behaviourly the new generation is what can be improved a lot. There is no much difference in semiconductor industry or any other technical field( Basics remains same but area of technical extertise differs.

    There needs to be genuine efforts from Institutes to develop new talent on soft skills like listening skill, communication skills, presentation skills , impotance of team work, building strong focus on ethics and integrity in everything they do.
    I fail to understand why some students do not know how capacitor work, can not define what is impedance means? This tells me that first we need to educate teachers to teach basics. Ask students to think beyond remembering complex equations( they can get all of them from google search). The ability to question everything which is working or followed by all is what need to be cultivated in the minds of the students.

    They can be best in the world but lot of responsibility lies on
    teachers and many private/govt institutes that their goal is not to produce degree holders but the real thinking engineers. It is good to know few things but perfectly than knowing many things with vague idea.

  4. Sarth Shah
    November 19, 2009 at 8:56 am

    Too good,Sir !!!

  5. forex robot
    November 19, 2009 at 12:46 pm

    Amazing as always 🙂

  6. Satish Sankaralingam
    November 19, 2009 at 12:53 pm

    I completely agree with “be very strong in their basics”. Learning tools is secondary to this.

    I also agree with Shivraj G dharne(second comment). The capacitor one actually reminded me of the problem of solar cell circuits, I was stuck and still stuck because i was not able to understand how capacitor works?

    [I knew the equation but you know i needed go from basics to really know what happens right in the heart of circuit].

  7. Dr.MURTHY.
    November 19, 2009 at 1:15 pm

    Its nice. Keep going.!

  8. Pradeep Chakraborty
    November 19, 2009 at 2:35 pm

    I would like to thank Dr. CP Ravikumar and the VLSI Society of India for posting a link to this blog post on the VLSI Society of India’s website. It is an honor! Many thanks, Sirs. 🙂

  9. Yogesh Agrawal
    November 19, 2009 at 3:12 pm

    I would love to have your responses for the questions:

    1. Are we having enough opportunities(in India) for students to get into semiconductor industry?

    2. Can we have opportunities comparable to those of an IT industry?

    3. What are the present initiatives taken up by the industries and academics taken up in this direction?

  10. Pradeep Chakraborty
    November 19, 2009 at 3:19 pm

    Hi Yogesh, replying to your queries.

    1. Yes, I believe there are opportunities for students to get into the semicon industry.
    2. No. It’d be wrong to compare opportunities in the IT industry with those in the semiconductor industry. The needs are quite different.

    3. The MNCs and also the ISA have various initiatives with some or rather, most of the well known institutes. Though, I’m not quite qualified to comment, I think it is doing fairly well.

  11. Yogesh Agrawal
    November 19, 2009 at 3:28 pm

    I would love you to kindly elaborate a bit more on first question. I believe your ideas may prove ready to use reference for students.

  12. Pradeep Chakraborty
    November 19, 2009 at 3:31 pm

    Hi Yogesh, I believe there’s enough on this blog pertaining to the Indian semiconductor industry and the segments that are doing well. 🙂 Will write a bit later again! Keep reading…

  13. Ravi Nandan Singh
    November 19, 2009 at 7:25 pm

    Hi sir,

    I have attended this event. It was really an eye opening and influencing session by the pioneers. Even i do appreciate your sincere attention towards the beginners by reflecting the great ideas into this blog.

    May i know when are the companies going to start hirings after this downturn. Because many of the beginners like me keep on working to match up with the industry standards and also expecting the career opportunities.

    Regards
    Ravi Nandan Singh

  14. Pradeep Chakraborty
    November 19, 2009 at 7:41 pm

    Ravi, keep an eye out, as the industry is recovering… Most important, as the gentlemen said that day — ensure your skills and other qualities are in tune with the current times. Best wishes.

  15. Ramakrishnan Bashyam
    November 20, 2009 at 4:50 am

    Like mentioned earlier, interships is one of keys to developing semiconductor talent. I have worked for about 13 years in the Semiconductor industry in USA before returning to India. Other options include cooperation of industries with Universities, designing and improving the course structure periodically (sometimes this might have to be done as frequently as 4 to 5 years or even less as the technology keeps changing). The next thing is that the hiring companies need to understand what they exactly what, how to identify potential etc.

    It would be ideal to have a manufacturing facility in India to be more efficient in meeting their needs. I feel that a lot of productivity is lost in communication and some people here may not have a sense of what the deliverables are as they may not have been to a manufacturing facility. This will also help students to better understand the flow of the product better.

  16. Nandakumar. R
    November 20, 2009 at 5:00 am

    Thanks to Dr. CP Ravikumar , the VLSI Society of India,Mr.Pradeep Chakraborty & to Cadence,for this opportunity

    As a practicing Engineer & Trainer I feel,

    0.The Entire courses for a typical Undergraduate program in Engineering are to be treated as basics ( Not just Electronics & Microelectronics).An Ip of mediocre complexity require interdisciplinary knowledge

    1.Strong focussed grooming of potential students on these fundamentals,has to be done on a well reaserched,practical framework developed by a joint consortium of IITs,IISc and Core -Industries.This should have good penetration level.Companies should identify this as a part of their CSR

    3.Create the talent pool for the globe,not just for few companies.It wont hurt to have technoentrepreneurs in VLSI especially ,Front end (RTL Design) and Verification can make out great ventures with minimum capital,if HR is available.

    4.Industry should promote freelancers,& enthusisasts .Affilate them to the industry as adjuct professionals ( Like what Cypress semiconductor does with their CyPros program)

    5.Industry-University Alliance programs( Like what TI ,Intel etc are having) should extend beyound IITs to Tier 2,3 Institutions.Should have dedicated Technical Evangelists and should concentrate on Faculty Training as well.

    6.Industries should open up more Internship opportunities ( Not all need to be paid interships) with more transparent selection criteria ( Unlike choosing based on the brand name of academic Institution or if he/she got a buddy among its employee).Send clear message to faculty and potential students that, my comapny’s routine work is this, which require the strong knowldege at this level in these subjects and the following skillsets.Then put them on a transparent,benchmarked competetion and choose the best talents,train them rigourously as a soldier,Make them grow beyoond any contraints commensurable to their experise and sincerity

    I conclude by remembering ( and reminding)

    ” Setting an example is not the main means of influencing another, it is the only means”- Albert Einstein

    JAI HIND

    Nandakumar.R
    Scientist/Engineer

  17. Dr.Suryaprasad
    November 20, 2009 at 5:29 am

    Interesting session! Appreciate Ravikumar’s effort in this direction and many interesting replies from Pradeep! Being from academia I have simple formulae to ensure that institutions can generate quality engineers. This formulae has 4 critical variables – Student, Faculty, Institution and Industry. A necessary ecosystem needs to be created to ensure that these 4 dimensions are suitable addressed. One option would be to create CENTERS OF EXCELLENCE in select institutions. These select institutions could be beacon institutions which could further mentor 10-15 other institutions to ensure scaling.

    Through the COE’s , industries could involve them as beta partners, third party testing/verification ,IP development etc. Many opportunities, but only requirement is the right mindset.

    Keep up the amazing work.

  18. Gaurav Jalan
    November 20, 2009 at 7:17 am

    Pradeep, quite a comprehensive post!

    I strongly support the idea “collaborate and not compete”. We need to understand this at the core. Collaboration gives an offset to everyone because there is no point in reinventing the wheel again. It has lot of takeaways at all levels be it personal, team or organization and leads to a culture of learning.

    Another point that I learnt is no work in this industry is good or bad. At some point our job as an engineer would just mean documenting or maintaining modules developed by someone else & we might feel frustrated but we need to understand that it plays a strong part in the whole process. Everything learnt now pays off in the long term. So as a student we should be prepared for everything that comes up to deliver our best.

    I also thank Dr. C. P. Ravikumar for sharing this on the VDAT list.

  19. Pradeep Chakraborty
    November 20, 2009 at 7:24 am

    Thanks a lot to everyone for posting comments. This is a very relevant topic and the feedback has been quite interesting.

  20. Nandakumar.R
    November 20, 2009 at 8:56 am

    @ Dr.Suryaprasad ,

    As you know,SMDP II by DIT ,Ministry of Communications and IT is already there.But still miles to go in terms of penetratioon among Tier II and below Institutions

  21. November 21, 2009 at 9:23 am

    Thank you for providing such wonderful link to me sir..
    I agree all the coments listed above. HARDWORK is key role to success. Along with this KNOWLEDGE and WISDOM are needed at different steps of our life but more importantly “ATTITUDE” will score 100marks full followed by other words which are written in uppercase..

    To meet the real world challenges it is essential that one have a very strong fundamental of their own core branchs and minimum knowledge of other branches of technology..

    Thank you
    with regards
    Mrityunjaya G Hiremath

  22. ravi bagade
    November 24, 2009 at 6:18 pm

    thank you sir.This will really help the students like us to improve and to compete in game..

  23. Charile
    December 4, 2009 at 11:07 pm

    This is really excellent stuff from students’ perspective. Does our faculty pay attention to all of the points raised here. How many of the students are aware of some or all of the points? Interesting post.

  24. chandrashekhar
    December 14, 2009 at 12:56 pm

    I googled “look for apprenticeships!” title & and i was directed toward ur page

  25. Pradeep Chakraborty
    January 10, 2010 at 10:13 pm

    Thanks everyone, for such wonderful comments! Happy new year to all of you. 🙂

  26. Nithin Kumar
    June 30, 2010 at 5:48 pm

    Dear Sir,
    I read your article today and found it very interesting.
    I completed my B.E in Electronics and Communication from NIE, Mysore with good academic record. I’m very much interested in Semiconductor industry and want to pursue my career in VLSI domain. I did many projects in VLSI hoping it would help when I start my career. I even did a project on USB 3.0. I’m finding it very hard to get into the companies working in this domain as either these companies look for experience or they consider people who have references. I don’t have either of these two. So I’m finding it almost impossible even to get a interview in these companies in spite of having a good academic record and domain knowledge.
    So, I kindly request you to guide me in this aspect. Any suggestion from you will be invaluable to me.

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